I haven't seen the Korra yet because I've been busy these last few days. I love you, but I'm just wondering if you can put a tag like, "korra spoilers" that I can tumblr savior unitl I can see it... <3
I think I was interested in Bolin's "stereotyping" because of all the "OMG! Korra just has a tan!!! Skin color is not a big deal!" comments on tumblr. I like the idea of another character in the show acknowledging darker skin (and not a tan). In any case, I read too much into it 'cause I just rewatched the episode and he only points out her clothes. BTW, I saw that great chart of the skin colors found in ATLA awhile back and I can't believe I forgot about it when asking you that question XD
Agreed! For all of this. XD That skin colour chart is the bomb, omg.
Did you watch Legend of Korra? I just watched the premiere on TV, and something funny happened. Bolin appeared to have stereotyped Korra as a waterbender because of the way she looked. I can't remember if it was only for her clothes or her skin color. I only bring this up because in the first series I was always confused as to how Katara and Sokka could disguise themselves as someone from the fire nation, where people normally have pale skin, and no one mention it.
I did watch it! In fact, Marissa Lee and I have made a posting event of our reactions and thoughts on the racebending.com website. Read it here!
As for your question, I can only guess (from the A:TLA series) that even though the majority of any particular nation shares a similar skin tone, there must inevitably be blending and combined tones, but perhaps in the minority. I am guessing that before Aang, the Avatar world tended to…mix a lot more? The Earth nation shows the most variation in skin tones, if I recall correctly.
So long rambling answer to say that I think darker skinned people did wander/exist in the Fire nation areas, and especially because during Aang’s time, the Fire Nation had conquered so much of the world/land mass, so. It wasn’t too odd to see Katara and Sokka prancing around in Fire Nation drag.
As for Korra and Bolin, Marissa and I were talking about how it reminded us of the way people tend to mix up one ‘type’ of Asian for another. Marissa references Gene Yang’s book American Born Chinese, since it’s possible that it might have been the ‘in joke’ re: Bolin’s assumptions. :D
::grin:: Point. I need to lay off rabid fangirls. Been spending too much time in fandom lately, I think. ;) I think your point about the not wanting to think about your entertainment is probably right on the nose. I mean look at all the books I read each year. It's not like I put a lot of critical thought into most of them. I'm looking for easy escapism. 500DoS is all technicolor and 'fun' - it doesn't necessarily scream out to the casual viewer for critical analysis if they only see the surface
All of this!
Not that I don’t still think it’s sad (interesting? alarming? something notable) that a lot of people missed the ENTIRE POINT of 500 Days of Summer, though. It’s one thing to mindlessly consume entertainment as escapism; it’s another thing to not even understand what you’re watching because you’re so used to siding with systemic patriarchal tropes.
yeah yeah I am no against mindless consumption of media but I am baffled at how people are ready to justify and defend something flawed for the sole reason that’s what tickles them right there right then
I feel you, dude. I think I mentioned in an earlier post that a lot of people feel like the only way they can enjoy something is if they believe it to be 100% perfect. Sure they can gripe about fannish things like plot or characterization, but it has to meet their ‘moral standards’ (ie completely deviod of sexism, racism, homophobia, ableism etc). As if shows and books were created by objective creatures who are all fair-minded, and not regular humans with their own sets of prejudices and biases.
So to critique it on that level, fans feel ashamed. They make a shameful connection. As if by liking the TV show Blah Blah - which treats its female chars like shit - means then that they are bad feminists. And they are not! Really! They’re not!
So they go into denial about it and pretend that Blah Blah is the greatest, and dismiss critiquers as being too sensitive/picky/downers/humorless/whiny/harshing the squee, etc.
It’s sad that many people think being a good fan of Blah Blah = turning a blind eye to its problems. I think being a good fan is about accepting that it can be problematic and acknowledging it.
It’s not a bad thing to be like “Yeah, I like Blah Blah, but geez, the writers are shitty towards women chars. It sucks. I do still love the show for its other elements, but I know it has its problems.”
Hey, I have to do that all the time, with the media I consume. No media is perfect.
hi, we don't even know each other but maybe i feel like you were at witching hour? anyway, i just wanted to chip in my own experience of watching "500 days of summer" -- i saw it with a group of guys, one of whom i had dated in the past. and they ALL identified with tom and hated on summer.... i never told my ex, but listening to him and his friends excoriate a girl for having feelings and preferences made me feel like shit. and i still can't bring myself to watch the movie again.
I was at Witching Hour! My first HP con. Meeeemories. XD
Augh, I feel for you. What an experience full of microaggressions. I don’t blame you for avoiding that movie like the plague, now.
Haven’t seen 500 Days of Summer, but about Great Expectations, I must say, the audience sympathizes more with Pip not because they’re sexist but because Estella was a total jerk who hurt him just for the heck of it. He was stupid, but she was cruel.
Like I said, the book was written not just from Pip’s PoV, but also purposely to be sympathetic with Pip. No where did I say any reader/viewer of Great Expectations sides with Pip because they are sexist. …?
Do you see any similarities between "500 Days of Summer" and "Great Expectations?" (not sure if you've seen/read the latter). Both deal with disillusioned men in love with women who constantly tell them that they can never be together, and yet I feel like the audience is usually more sympathetic to the men (like I used to be.)
I know what you mean! I think the difference being that GE was written very earnestly from the PoV of Pip who was, for all purposes, a version of Dickens himself. So Pip WAS supposed to be correct and sympathetic, if misguided. From what I gather about 500 Days of Summer, the entire point of the film was that Tom was supposed to be wrong. He was supposed to be flawed and in error and deluded about Summer. We the audience might understand his cluelessness, but I don’t think we’re supposed to empathize/agree with him (like we are supposed to with Pip; whether you actually do or not, is of course reader’s prerogative!)
Wow, I’m getting a lot of discussion about 500 Days of Summer. This is kinda neat, since I have such mediocre feelings about the film itself, haahah.
Dude, Tom was a schmuck. That said, I think we're so trained at this point to root for the protagonist of whatever media we're indulging in (books, movies, whatever,) that it can be difficult for some people to accept that, yeah, no, that character deserved the crap that rained down on them. Combine that with the pretty that is JGL and I'm not surprised there's a rabid fangirl audience who think Tom was wronged. Doesn't make them right by any stretch, but their flawed logic can be understood.
See, I dunno if it’s just the ‘rabid fangirl’ audience? Like, a lot of people I’ve talked to - fangirl or no - doesn’t bother to look much further than ‘Tom = protagonist; therefore Tom = right’ kind of mentality. And I get it - when it comes to stories about love, even twee proto-hipster love - people have been trained by decades of mindless rom coms to not question the formula. I’m not saying that I don’t understand why people would think that way, I’m just…it’s interesting how much people consume media without questioning any of it. (Disclaimer to say: I ALSO understand that sometimes you just don’t feel like actually thinking when you want to be entertained, but that’s no real excuse when someone points out that the foundations of said entertainment is shaky. Either accept and reconcile your continued enjoyment, or vehemently defend your own ignorance.(
(Disclaimer on the disclaimer: ‘You’ in this case being general ‘you’, not specific)
I saw your post about 500 days of summer and just wanted to add my two cents. I was honestly shocked when I realized people watched it and felt bad for Tom. I literally thought the entire movie was about a guy who was incapable of learning, and of letting go of the idea of the manic pixie dream girl. And that that was the intended interpretation. I felt bad for him after the movie but only because I thought he was too dumb to learn.
THIS. YES. EXACTLY. HAaahhh. When I watched it for the first time, I was still trying very hard to see Tom in a good light, but he just kept…failing. So by the end of the movie, I was like ‘Summer girl, you dodged a bullet with that guy.’ It was gratifying to know that the actors/creators of the film felt the same way as I did, given how it seemed like most people I knew automatically sided with Tom. :/
YES on everything about (500) Days of Summer; that's one of my favorite movies, but NOT FOR the reason of "Tom is a nice guy and Summer is a bitch" when people say that I'm like WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING?
Y’know?? I remember watching it and I was like…so wait. Are we supposed to be rooting for Tom here? Because he is…not a good guy. Summer has it right. He’s a whiny entitled delusional ass. Am I supposed to like Tom? OH GOD, AM I THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX? I HAVE AN OPINION THAT A WHITE MALE PROTAGONIST IS NOT THE PERFECT HUMAN BEING IN THIS MOVIE??! When I found out that JGL also didn’t root for Tom, I was impressed that 500 Days of Summer actually went there. And still failed to get its point across, apparently. lol.
I love it when you find someone’s tumblr and you start to follow them, and you’re like OH YAY! It has comicbook images and fannish stuff that interests me! And you’re happily scrolling down and it’s like eeee geeky happy joy cuteness adorable—
Trust me, this is an INCREDIBLE thing. I’ve been oohing and awwing over your work since early HP days of yore, and it’s so nice to see one of my favourite artists transition over to another fandom I love. Welcome
NO WAY!!! HOORAY! I know what you mean; I don’t really participate in a lot of the newer fandoms, lolol. I consume a lot of pop culture, but I leave the fan squeeing to the professionals, these days. XD
lori shh check my tumblr i reblogged your post and there is a pertinent link you should click okay :')
LOL OK I have it up and was watching ep 3x06 or something (where I stopped watching the show) and half of it was Mr Hummel (which fine, okay) and also Will’s face *SHAKES FIST TO SKY* and Finn being OOC asshole to Blaine and Santana and. BLAHHH. MY RAGE. Let’s pretend I finished this season and then we can still squee about the Klaine? I’ve seen a lot of their love and I love it! I do! *SQUISHES YOUR LITTLE KLAINE-OBSSESSED FACE* I saw the Michael Jackson ep too? Where Blaine gets the rock salt attack? KDJFHDKf